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Zach Greinke Pitch-by-Pitch

The trip to Wichita was very successful. I will have a report for John Sickels Newsletter subscribers later today or tomorrow.

For today, I want to post something that I hope you find interesting. Zach Greinke pitched seven strong innings for Wichita Saturday night. I charted the first six innings pitch-by-pitch, using my radar gun and taking notes. Here it is:

Zach Greinke vs. Corpus Christi Hooks, Saturday August 19, 2006
FIRST INNING
Hitter: Josh Anderson
   Fastball, 87 MPH, inside corner, called strike    0-1
   Fastball, 89 MPH, low in the zone, swinging strike  0-2
   Fastball, 87 MPH, low and outside, ball  1-2
   Fastball, 91 MPH, fouled away, 1-2
   Fastball, 86 MPH, inside, 2-2
   Fastball, 88 MPH, called strike three, one out
Tike Redman
   Fastball, 88 MPH, called strike, 0-1
   Fastball, 92 MPH, inside, ball, 1-1
   Fastball, 89 MPH, called strike, 1-2
   Fastball, 88 MPH, grounded to first base, 3 unassisted, 2 outs
Hunter Pence
   Fastball, 89 MPH, fly ball to right fielder, 3 outs
SECOND INNING
Josh Bonifay
   Slider, 84 MPH, called strike, 0-1
   Fastball, 89 MPH, outside, ball, 1-1
   Fastball, 89 MPH, swinging strike, 1-2
   Slider, 83 MPH, fouled away, 1-2
   Fastball, 94 MPH, low in the zone, ball, 2-2
   Fastball, 92 MPH, fouled away, 2-2
   Fastball, 91 MPH, swinging strike, one out
Jorge Cortes
    Slider, 83 MPH, low, ball, 1-0
    Fastball, 88 MPH, low, ball, 2-0
    Fastball, 88 MPH, outside, ball, 3-0
    Fastball, 87 MPH, called strike, 3-1
    Curveball, 79 MPH, fouled away, 3-2
    Fastball, 92 MPH, fouled away, 3-2
    Fastball, 87 MPH, fouled away, 3-2
    Slider, 84 MPH, low, ball, walk
Jonny Ash
    Fastball, 88 MPH, low, ball, 1-0
    Curveball, 75 MPH, ground ball, 4-3 fielders choice, 2 outs
Mark Saccamano
    Fastball, 89 MPH, low, ball, 1-0
    Fastball, 87 MPH, low, ball, 2-0
    Fastball, 91 MPH, right down the middle but called a ball by the umpire, 3-0
    Fastball, 87 MPH, low, ball, walk
Wade Robinson
    Slider, 84 MPH, called strike, 0-1
    Fastball, 93 MPH, swinging strike, 0-2
    Fastball, 90 MPH, low, ball, 1-2
    Fastball, 91 MPH, 6-4 fielders choice, 3 outs
THIRD INNING
Kevin Davidson
    Slider, 81 MPH, fly ball to left field, 1 out
Anderson
    Changeup??, Indistinct pitch, 81 MPH, bunted to catcher, ERROR, runner to third base
Redman
    Fastball, 91 MPH, fouled way, 0-1
    Curveball, 76 MPH, single to right field, run scores
Pence
    Slider, 82 MPH, ground ball to third, 5-4 fielder's choice, 2 outs
Bonifay
    Slider, 85 MPH, EXCELLENT pitch, swinging strike, 0-1
    Fastball, 92 MPH, swinging strike, 0-2
    Fastball, 94 MPH, swinging strike, 3 outs
FOURTH INNING
Cortez
    Fastball, 87 MPH, outside, ball, 1-0
    Fastball, 88 MPH, smashed to center, HOME RUN, run scores
Ash
   Fastball, 88 MPH, outside, ball, 1-0
   Slider, 81 MPH, ball, 2-0
   Fastball, 88 MPH, called strike, 2-1
   Fastball, 89 MPH, fouled away, 2-2
   Fastball, 93 MPH, ground ball to third base, 5-3 putout, 1 out
Sacamanno
   Fastball, 90 MPH, fouled away, 0-1
   Fastball, 91 MPH, outside, ball, 1-1
   Fastball, 91 MPH, low?? Looked like a good pitch called ball, 2-1
   Fastball, 91 MPH, fouled away, 2-2
   Changeup, 80 MPH, swinging strike, excellent changeup, strikeout, 2 out
Robinson
   Fastball, 88 MPH, called strike, 0-1
   Fastball, 90 MPH, outside, ball, 1-1
   Fastball, 87 MPH, fouled away, 1-2
   Changeup, 80 MPH, swinging strike, excellent pitch, strikeout, 3 outs
FIFTH INNING
Davidson
    Fastball, 87 MPH, fouled away, 0-1
    82 MPH, indistinct pitch, low, ball, 1-1
    Fastball, 90 MPH, low, ball, 2-1
    Slider, 85 MPH, fouled away, 2-2
    Curveball, 75 MPH, bounced to shortstop, 6-3 putout, 1 out
Anderson
    86 MPH, indistinct pitch, acted like a cutter, fouled away, 0-1
    Fastball, 92 MPH, grounded to shortstop, 6-3 putout, 2 out
Redman
    Fastball, 88 MPH, hit hard to right field gap, double
Pence
    Curveball, 75 MPH, called strike, 0-1
    83 MPH, indistinct pitch, acted like a splitter, swinging strike, 0-2
    Fastball, 90 MPH, outside, ball, 1-2
    SLOW curve, 65 MPH, wild pitch, runner moves to third, 2-2
    86 MPH, indistinct pitch, acted like a cutter, ball in the dirt, 3-2
    SLOW Curve, 71 MPH, looked like a definite strike but called a ball by surprised umpire, runner draws walk
Bonifay
     Fastball, 89 MPH, swinging strike, 0-1
     Fastball, 93 MPH, fouled away, 0-2
     Fastball, 91 MPH, grounded to shortstop, 6-3, 3 outs
SIXTH INNING
Cortes
     Fastball, 88 MPH, fouled away, 0-1
     Fastball, 90 MPH, outside, ball, 1-1
     Curveball, 75 MPH, grounded to second base, 4-3, 1 out
Ash
     Fastball, 90 MPH, outside, ball, 1-0
     Curveball, 79 MPH, outside, ball, 2-0
     Fastball, 86 MPH, called strike, 2-1
     Fastball, 86 MPH, called strike, 2-2
     Fastball, 86 MPH, grounded to shortstop, ERROR, runner to second base
Sacammano
     Fastball, 90 MPH, fly ball to right field, 2 out
Robinson
     Fastball, 86 MPH, low, ball, 1-0
     Fastball, 87 MPH, outside, ball, 2-0
     Fastball, 90 MPH, fouled away, 2-1
     Fastball, 91 MPH, bunted to pitcher, throws to first base, 3 outs

So, what do you guys think of his pitch sequences? I noticed that Greinke was working his fastball low in the strike zone most of the time. He looked confident on the mound, and didn't get rattled with runners on base or when his fielders made bad plays behind him. As usual for Greinke, he seemed able to dial up his fastball into the 92-94 range at will, but preferred to work a bit slower than that to pace himself. All in all, he reminded me a lot more of the confident young moundsman of 2004 than the rattled thrower of 2005. Word from Wichita and Kansas City sources is that he has made great progress in working through his psychological issues, although of course we'll have to see if that actually pans out in the long run.

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Thanks for the update!  Nice to see his busted out the classic slow curve, always a fan favorite.

Looking at his overall resume since the start of July, it appears that Greinke is getting back on track after last year's trainwreck.  It's easy to forget that he is still only 22 years old, so I think Dayton Moore is taking the right approach with him by being patient and having him gain confidence in the Texas League.  

If Greinke can work through his psychological issues, which certainly isn't a guarantee, I think he can still develop into a legit top of the rotation guy.  An argument could be made that Greinke is more important to KC's future success than Alex Gordon is.  

by eazyb81 on Aug 21, 2006 11:03 AM EDT   0 recs

Pence
Interesting how he worked Pence.  Started him out with a different pitch each at bat, and really mixed it up when HP didn't swing at the first pitch.
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by jonpyardi on Aug 21, 2006 11:03 AM EDT   0 recs

Thanks for the Update John...
I appreciate it. I still have Greinke in my fantasy league.

by yanksfan6129 on Aug 21, 2006 11:16 AM EDT   0 recs

hard to get worked up about
any pitcher putting up that many "86s" with their fastballs...though the 93,94 is nice to see.   he needs to be able to sit 91-93 in the 6th to be what he can be

by nms on Aug 21, 2006 11:19 AM EDT   0 recs

Greinke's pitch selection
I'm excited that Greinke the way Greinke worked his pitches. He didn't show them too soon by throwing them all early in the game. I liked the way he started with the fastball, then worked in the slider and later on the curve and at the same time changing the speeds of them all.

by royalsfan7 on Aug 21, 2006 11:45 AM EDT   0 recs

Great
Except he didn't throw any quick pitches... I also heard that he is working on a knuckleball?

I think he is a very unique pitcher who knows how to pitch. It's clear that he can throw in the 93-94 range if he wanted to but works in the high 80s to better locate his fastball.

He is still only 22 and if he can keep it together mentally, I think he will be very successful. Interested in how he finishes out the season.

by yoda1 on Aug 21, 2006 12:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Fastball
It's nice to see him working the fastball 87-90 range more often.  I remember seeing him against Texas in 2005 while he was struggling and he was hitting 92-94 consistently and hit 96 a couple times.  Greinke tired by the end of the 5th inning and began missing badly, usually up high.  He actually walked Soriano unintentionally.

I miss seeing those 65 mph curves.

by count sutton on Aug 21, 2006 12:09 PM EDT   0 recs

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But can he be an elite starter if his fastball is only in the 87-90 range?  I admit that Greinke is a unique pitcher, but there aren't many guys that can dominate hitters relying on an 87 mph fastball.  

The Maddux comparisons have always been thrown around when discussing Greinke, but guys like Maddux are very rare.  

by eazyb81 on Aug 21, 2006 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly
its nice that he wants to pace himself and throw strikes by throwing 86 but big league pitchers (at least of the caliber than Grienke can be) can do all the same stuff but at 93.

by nms on Aug 21, 2006 12:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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He rarely threw his fastball at 86. Most were 87-91. Its not like he just keeps it there, he changes speeds with it to keep hitters off balance.

by royalsfan7 on Aug 21, 2006 12:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

look at the 5th and 6th inning
basically all 86-88.  and maybe he tries to keep hitters off balance but it doesnt really work.
use your breaking ball and change if you want to do that and keep your velo up on the FB to keep hitters overmatched and make the diffence between the FB and CH bigger

by nms on Aug 21, 2006 1:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re:
He threw more at 90 or over than below 90 in the fifth.

by royalsfan7 on Aug 21, 2006 1:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Maddux
Not arguing, but who is comparing him to Maddux these days?  I know it was tossed about for a while that his ceiling is Maddux, but he could be Brad Radke.

I have not seen a Maddux comp in a long time, so I'm not sure what the debate is even about.

by count sutton on Aug 21, 2006 1:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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There were plenty of Maddux comps before his disaster in 05.  Obviously that talk has quieted over the past year, but it's hard to come up with any reliable comps right now....his situation is fairly unique.

by eazyb81 on Aug 21, 2006 2:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah
I doubt Greinke will ever be a stud but if he refines his other pitches, then he can be very successful.

by yoda1 on Aug 21, 2006 2:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...
Pedro works 86-89 for the most part nowadays, dialing it up to 90-92 when he needs to.

by samjjones on Aug 21, 2006 1:31 PM EDT   0 recs

yes and
hes PEDRO..thats the point.  He, like Maddux, is one of the best ever.  No one can do what he does

by nms on Aug 22, 2006 11:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm
I don't really know what to think.  It makes me wonder, though, if he makes a mistake at 87-89 what is happening...

I know everyone knows this - but the velocity/command trade off is really all about what happens when the pitcher makes a mistake.  If he's not making any in the 87-89 range he'll be fine.  But, who other than a select few (Maddux, 2005 version of Pedro) make so few mistakes that they can work at that speed?  Not sure if it'd be good for his development but I'd love to see him in KC before the end of the year...

by Dfarth on Aug 21, 2006 2:05 PM EDT   0 recs

KC this year would be a mistake
I think you have to leave him at AA for the rest of the season considering what he went through not even 6 months ago.

Let him finish out the season at AA. Maybe pitch in AFL to keep the rust off and invite him to Spring Training if he is mentally ready. Start off at AAA and then see what happens.

by yoda1 on Aug 21, 2006 2:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why do people ...
... always think they know what's best for other people?

Let Zack, his doctor and the front office consult with each other and decide. They know better than any of us do.

by Flynn Blake on Aug 21, 2006 3:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Logic
tells me that when a 22 year old kid was having a breakdown about pitching in MLB not even 6 months ago, you probably don't want to put him in that situation until it is absolutely necessary. How would throwing him out there so soon help him at all?

by yoda1 on Aug 21, 2006 3:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well
Maybe the kid knows better, and his doctor as well. If he wants to get back out there that badly, that might be better than stewing about it all winter.

by Flynn Blake on Aug 22, 2006 2:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know
I just want to see him to watch him pitch.  Not so much cause I think it will be good for him...

by Dfarth on Aug 21, 2006 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Brandon Wood
Anyone know why wood hasn't been the in lineup over the past 5 days?
Nothingfalls

by nothingfalls on Aug 21, 2006 5:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Is Corpus a "former Pirate" convention?
Tike Redman, Josh Bonifay, and Jorge Cortes are all formerly of the Pirates' organization.

by calig23 on Aug 21, 2006 9:39 PM EDT   0 recs

he doesn't need mid-90s heat...
...he can hit mid-90s, guys...but I think he can surely be a good starter with an high 80s FB...the thing that was so interesting about Greinke when he was first called up was his feel for pitching at such a young age...he could hit mid-90s gas, but didn't necessarily operate there...

...if he only had a standard fastball/breaking ball/change combo then I would be more concerned about the high 80s FB...but, the fact is that he has a ton of pitches and good control...and the separations between his pitches are excellent...he really pitches between 66-94 mph...that kind of wide separation is very unsual...to me a comparable pitcher profile is Mike Mussina who never threw the hardest but had a ton of pitches, had good pitch selections, disguised things well, very good velocity separation, and excellent command...

by basemonkey on Aug 22, 2006 3:17 PM EDT   0 recs

I dunno
Mussina's FB was consistently 93-94 before the dropoff couple years ago. Now it sits at 90-91.

Although I would be thrilled if Zack has a comparable career.

by yoda1 on Aug 22, 2006 4:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

velocity
I haven't seen him pitch myself, but it's been my undrstanding that Greinke's 90ish FB moves a lot more than his 96ish FB.  I'll take a guy who throws a 90mph FB with movement over a guy who throws 99 with no or little movement, and a guy who can change speeds with location like Greinke can over either.
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Aug 22, 2006 11:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, Moose had more heat at the same age...true.
"Mussina's FB was consistently 93-94 before the dropoff couple years ago. Now it sits at 90-91."

...true. I was making a point of comparing Greinke to Moose because Moose has always been a thinking man's pitcher who relied on a bunch of things besides velocity...Greinke strikes me to be more of that mold than a big bravado heater guy.

by basemonkey on Aug 23, 2006 4:28 PM EDT   0 recs

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